3422 A Great Alliance
Reader “Hee Fone” asked for a family tree of some of the characters in YAFGC. And I considered the request and weighed it against the veritable mountain of backstory and historical notes I’ve got here, plus the gaps in continuity. And I thought, I’ll give it a try. So for a start: Here’s Maula and Glon’s family tree as Glon currently understands it. It’s not hugely helpful, I don’t think. But you can make of it what you will. It is subject to alterations as understanding and history become more clear and developed. So ‘don’t quote me on this’, or at least, don’t hold me to it ten years down the road.
-Rich “BK” Morris
And if you thought that was confusing, try THIS ONE! Lucas’ line of Greyforts.
And here’s what Cadugan knows of his family lineage.
Clover and the Firelight family, not so exciting.
Excellent! Looking forward to the wedding strips.
There are going to be strippers at the wedding? Nah, maybe not, at the bachelorette party yes?
Don’t you recall all those semi-nude dancers at the previous Orc weddings we’ve seen?
man that was a fast one
That’s what she said!
Love the looks in panel six 😀
Speaking of six: Gaggia, Ibkis, Shaija, Glon and now Hogga, who is #6?
Unless she is meaning Momma Bloodhand
Pretty sure that’s exactly who she means. The sentence where Hogga says "all six" is about the political alliance they’re forging, and Maula will be a key part of that.
Yup! They’re all relying on Maula’s expertise.
Thank you, couldn’t remember if he had left one of his wives back home (to take care of any children too young to travel), wanted to make sure
I bet Gaggia is excited about Hogga joining 😉
i love her maturity, dedication, and responsibility 🙂
Okay, we know what Glon is getting out of this (and we can see his feelings about it in panel six 😛 ), but what is Hogga getting out of this?
Family. Family that actually cares about her, and that she cares about. She lost her father and uncle, and I don’t think she ever had much respect or fondness for her mother. This gives her a large family, and even extended family as we saw at the Yule celebration. And they are a family that will respect her as an accomplished warrior and leader in her own right, and stand with her against any other distant relatives that might want to try to claim her throne (if there are any). Also, a significant military force on her side, rather then competing for territory. And she seems to really enjoy their company. There are lots of reasons, both personal, and political, that this would be good for her.
Indeed. The Orcs are outnumbered by Goblins. But they’re STRONG together. Even if the Hobgoblin tribes could unite they’d have a heck of a time opposing the Orcs. And protracted war between Hogga’s people and Glon’s people would be all consuming and devastating. The Black Mountain people would always be seen as intruders into the Goblin Lands. Unless Hogga and Glon can convince everyone to merge in aliance. Together we’re stronger!
One must remember that Goblin and Orc culture, unlike Humanoid culture, doesn’t necessarily value peace and comfort as much as strength and power. As long as the Goblins and the Orcs feel powerful and strong, they’ll be at peace. Or so it is believed.
Family, *loving* family, is a very good thing to have, and to hold on to it with everything you got once you have it
as I understood, even though diminished the Orcs are a sizeable force and the average Orc is way stronger than the average Goblin. Such an alliance should also prevent or at least reduce movements of the current large Orc minority within the Goblin lands to declare independence or even grab power. Which is the same reasoning as to why the Orc King is married to a noble daughter of every Orc tribe.
Exactly!
I like her a lot!
Peace as a monarch, independence in marriage and rule as queen and a spouse (s)/heirs. After the show down that might not be that many eligible partners acceptable for her subjects as well for her personally.
I am getting serious Vorkosigan vibes out of this (by which I mean, they all are powerful and outstanding individuals in their own right, but it is their family cohesion that makes me pity anything standing against them).
And, Glon – going by your facial expression I’m assuming the question of heirs is not theoretical?
Glon says: "Can’t promise anything but I’m willing to try. Over and over and over if necessary!"
Thank you for the Vorkosigan reference! I absolutely adore that series of books. Very serious, and absolutely hilarious, by turns. 😀
Well, Hogga did word it as "Any heirs I bear will be my heirs" rather than "Any heirs I may bear would be my heirs".
Man Runt cant catch a break romanticly can he (he was interested in Hogga at one point
I thought he appreciated her as an ally and just a good person, but didn’t think that way about her?
He was never /that/ interested to be honest.
*He* may have been interested (how serious for a pre-pubescent boy who just got turned down already is debatable), but *she* wasn’t, and she made it very clear (but diplomatically)
The real question is: which eligible female *hasn’t* Runt been interested in?
Such a romantic ❤
Yay! （＾∇＾）
She said yes–how nice! (YAAYYY!!!*does another Kermit dance*)
Thank you for the Family Tree(s), may not be much but it does help
Gaggia is having twins? Neat! 😀
Why would Lukas and Cadugan adopt Charles? His mother is still alive, isn’t she? And he is Cadugan’s half-brother
If it was to continue the line, they could simply designate him the official heir without having to adopt
No, Gaggia is not having twins.
It’s hard to make out clearly, I know, but it says: Shaijan – Pregnant With (as in, that’s who she’s expecting in the holiday strip) and Goria – In future. As in, she’s going to have her in the future.
Lucas and Cadugan adopt Charles to make him the heir. They have no intention of having kids of their own through magic or a surrogate. So that leaves them with the option of adoption. And here, handed to them on a plate, is not only a convenient live-in child, but he’s already family, too.
They’re not taking him away from his mother, nor replacing her, Flannet’s still his mom. But now he’s got it on paper that he’s Charles Hunter-Greyfort, heir to the duchy of Greyfort. Lucas promised his father that he’d find a way. It’s just a bit of paperwork and legalese. Flannet’s his mother, Cadugan’s his brother, Lucas is his brother-in-law, he’s not about to start calling them Dad or anything.
Thank you for clarifying things
Didn’t mean to imply they would take Charles away from his mother, was just wondering why the need for adoption (traditionally, an heir didn’t *have* to be family, or even related, it just made things slightly easier once things changed to hereditary inheritance)
Traditionally where? Even the Romans ceremoniously adopted their heirs if they didn’t have kids of their own (or simply didn’t want their kids to take over.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_succession#Monarchies_and_nobility
Yes not the best source, but quite often adopted descendens are explicitly excluded as long as other descendens or relatives are available.
At the same time often the title holder, parliament, the nobility, … could name a successor without the need for adoption.
Downton Abby comes to mind as an example Matthey was Robert’s heir even though they did not meet before that and the relationship between the two is so distant that Matthey could marry Robert’s daughter.
Of course this is your world so you are free to set the rules so that formal adoption is needed (or selection by Eddy).
…or, if Hogga is of an empirical bent, "Let’s find out!"
https://xkcd.com/943/
So many beautiful moments in YAFGC lately. It feels selfish to interrupt the flow just to say "This is beautiful," but I don’t want to interrupt the flow, even to observe the beauty.
Here. Watching. Smiling so much.
It seems Flannet is the only female character in YAFGC to birth kids by different fathers, so what about Clover’s?
Well that’s not true. In the Bloodhand family tree you can see that Maula Bloodhand had many children with "The General", and Glon with Owen Greyfort. Less easy to make out in the Greyfort family tree is the fact that Baroness Helen Greyfort married two men at once to avoid the Greyfort Curse and had a child with each, but they both died anyway.
I’ll get to Clover’s soon. You mostly want to know about Charla’s brood of adoptees, I’m guessing?
Yup!
Oh, Lucas and Cadugan adopted Charles? O.O
On paper to make him heir to the Duch of Greyfort. Yup.
Thought the bit about Frieda taken over until the King replaced her with Praul was with the Helen who married twice, re-reading it and it was about her grandmother
It’s important to be clear about these things.
Hmmm.
Very well done, but with Maren out of the running and Hooga now headed elewhere…. who will there be for King Runt?
I love this.
Every marriage should begin with this kind of frank discussion. What do all parties want? How do we reconcile any differences therein?
And then, of course, those discussions should continue, eh?
It is so Hogga that she thinks she actually gave a definitive yes!
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She *did* give a definitive answer, just remember who she was talking to 😛
Hm, I don’t remember if I actually commented that I’m looking forward to what Hogga’s heirs would look like, considering they’ll bear blood of four different races? Well, I suppose bugbear genes won’t be showing without the father also carrying them, so only goblin, orc and human heritages would show…
Oh, Charla’s adopted a *lot*! That’s got backstory!
These do help.
Now I admit to being a little confused by the family tree of Naomi, descendant of Naomi.
And much more confused by the family tree of the royal family of Umbril.
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I believe that the kids these days pronounce that as “adrfsjkhj;gkliutre!”.