I don’t see how this would resolve Mme. Hunter’s concern. After all, that’s exactly what Baroness Flannet Hunter of Greyfort is worried about: that ALL of her spouses will die. Baroness Helen the Second may not be concerned about Flannet Hunter’s other husbands as long as Niko bites it, but Flannet is. Looks like some random guys will die horribly just because they happened to marry someone years ago.
Maybe loophole ..? When Flannet was married previously, she was not Baroness. So, technically, none of those husbands were/are the spouse of a Baroness due to perfect tense of status at the time the marriages took place. The curse _may_ not be retroactive. We’ve only heard part of Helen’s story …. seems there’s a bit more yet to tell.
I’m not so sure about that. I mean, if she gets a title, shouldn’t her spouse(es) automatically get the status-upgrade as well?
But then again, it seems they have a bit of time, as Helen stated, her husbands lived long enough to see their children, which is at least 9 month. Considering the plular form, even more, if she had no twins. That is enough time to convince Niko to use her status to annule Flannets marriges for whatsoever reasons. And she would willingly do so, after all, she wouldn’t want to share the power and fortune that is phrophesied for the spouse of the Baroness, right?
The problem might rather be, it could also give enough time for her to figure out the truth…
Under some feudal laws, if a noble marries a married "commoner", all former marriages are immediately annulled by the Noble. Soooooooooooo… if that’s the case here, Niko’s the curse’s target for death. DEATH!!! HORRIBLE POINTY DEATH!!!!! Involving silverware and improperly secured storage cabinets!!!
Also under some feudal laws, it is illegal for a commoner to be married to a Noble, so by becoming a noble, all common marriages are immediately annulled. (or the former spouses get executed, one of the two… which might fit the curse.)
There’s another possible loophole here that might throw a wrench in the whole thing. See what panel #4 says here: "they lived long enough to see their children". The curse doesn’t seek to end the Greyfort line, so it waits until the spouses give the cursed Baron or Baroness a heir.
Niko and Flannet are not going to have children together. Of course the curse might see that it’s impossible for this marriage to give some heir and so might not wait to cull away Niko. Hopefully that’s what happens. But just in case it doesn’t, it should be a good idea for Flannet and the ghosts to start making plans for a duchessicide.
It could just as well have been sheer luck. But if it is not, that would be more problematic, since Flannet do have at least 2 sons alive from 2 men, whom she might have married. If your theory is correct, Charles’ dad and Glitterbranch are in deep s… sauce…
There is a way this cursed union can have a "child". But it involves Niko infecting someone with Lycanthropy, effectively making them a child of the pack…
Wow. Bad plan.
‘Your spouse will die’ is like saying, ‘An apple costs fifty cents.’ Pluralising only compunds the condition. Obviously.
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Hey, when Flannet dies, does she join the Chorus of Ghost Barons?
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If she’s the baroness in her own right, by British rules her husbands would have no title (they would not be “barons”), but “baronet” is a totally separate title unrelated to barons. Barons are lords (as in Lord Grayfort), but baronets are styled “Sir” (as in Sir Garan, baronet). Or did she have her husband made baronets as a courtesy, like Queen Elizabeth did for the father of her son’s wife?
In Greyfort (and indeed throughout most of Elegrost) it’s considered good manners to give lesser titles to spouses of nobles. Unless of course they come into the marriage already sufficiently decorated.
Well, *they* lived long enough to see *their* children, which implies that she had at least two *pregnancies*, unless there’s a way for both men to be fathers of two twins in the same pregnancy.
Is that a loophole in the curse?
It is entirely possible to have twins in the same pregnancy by different fathers. It happens in the real world but it’s rare and often only spotted when the two fathers have different racial charateristics.
I’m curious if the curse functions based on how intelligent/clever the current victim is. I remember a short fantasy story where a thief looking to rob a wizard was caught and gaeased to serve him with his own cleverness and intelligence guiding the spell so he couldn’t pervert a command at one point because HE knew what the wizard actually meant so couldn’t use a ‘well sure he said get x so I’ll get X’ perversion of what was said since he knew the wizard meant eggs for breakfast and not the valuable Eggs the thief came to steal. He had to be the devil’s own rules lawyer to get out of it. The curse might work the same way, SHE thought she was being clever but because she knew what she was doing the curse wasn’t fooled by it either.
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The word see is spelled as "se" in panel 3
The number 4 is written 3 in your post.
(sorry, couldn’t resist)
Heheh, so polite!
"panel 4" is spelled "panel 3" in the above comment. :p
(hugs ‘someone’)
I don’t see how this would resolve Mme. Hunter’s concern. After all, that’s exactly what Baroness Flannet Hunter of Greyfort is worried about: that ALL of her spouses will die. Baroness Helen the Second may not be concerned about Flannet Hunter’s other husbands as long as Niko bites it, but Flannet is. Looks like some random guys will die horribly just because they happened to marry someone years ago.
No, I think she’s concerned it will kill the wrong person (not Niko) but Helen confirmed it will kill Niko.
Maybe loophole ..? When Flannet was married previously, she was not Baroness. So, technically, none of those husbands were/are the spouse of a Baroness due to perfect tense of status at the time the marriages took place. The curse _may_ not be retroactive. We’ve only heard part of Helen’s story …. seems there’s a bit more yet to tell.
Niko OTOH is truly and well fukt.
I’m not so sure about that. I mean, if she gets a title, shouldn’t her spouse(es) automatically get the status-upgrade as well?
But then again, it seems they have a bit of time, as Helen stated, her husbands lived long enough to see their children, which is at least 9 month. Considering the plular form, even more, if she had no twins. That is enough time to convince Niko to use her status to annule Flannets marriges for whatsoever reasons. And she would willingly do so, after all, she wouldn’t want to share the power and fortune that is phrophesied for the spouse of the Baroness, right?
The problem might rather be, it could also give enough time for her to figure out the truth…
Under some feudal laws, if a noble marries a married "commoner", all former marriages are immediately annulled by the Noble. Soooooooooooo… if that’s the case here, Niko’s the curse’s target for death. DEATH!!! HORRIBLE POINTY DEATH!!!!! Involving silverware and improperly secured storage cabinets!!!
I might need some sleep…
Except that Niko made Flannet the noble and married her. It would only work if all marriages are annulled when nobility is declared.
*answering Nef*
Also under some feudal laws, it is illegal for a commoner to be married to a Noble, so by becoming a noble, all common marriages are immediately annulled. (or the former spouses get executed, one of the two… which might fit the curse.)
There’s another possible loophole here that might throw a wrench in the whole thing. See what panel #4 says here: "they lived long enough to see their children". The curse doesn’t seek to end the Greyfort line, so it waits until the spouses give the cursed Baron or Baroness a heir.
Niko and Flannet are not going to have children together. Of course the curse might see that it’s impossible for this marriage to give some heir and so might not wait to cull away Niko. Hopefully that’s what happens. But just in case it doesn’t, it should be a good idea for Flannet and the ghosts to start making plans for a duchessicide.
It could just as well have been sheer luck. But if it is not, that would be more problematic, since Flannet do have at least 2 sons alive from 2 men, whom she might have married. If your theory is correct, Charles’ dad and Glitterbranch are in deep s… sauce…
There is a way this cursed union can have a "child". But it involves Niko infecting someone with Lycanthropy, effectively making them a child of the pack…
She seems ,,, nice.
and now we know why she’s known as "The Mad"
This was my first line of thinking, too…
*penny drops* Oh Gueniviere’s the BABY
Wow. Bad plan.
‘Your spouse will die’ is like saying, ‘An apple costs fifty cents.’ Pluralising only compunds the condition. Obviously.
…
Hey, when Flannet dies, does she join the Chorus of Ghost Barons?
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I guess? If she wants to I mean. They did say they’re not bound there, they just really like hanging out there.
Probably not automatically. Owen had to pull some strings to get there, after all http://yafgc.net/comic/0826-what-the-who-wha/
Certainly explains why Ch’thier hates that family; it’s not just Owen and Glon, apparently.
http://yafgc.net/comic/0807-rules-lawyer-at-play/
And here’s where he pulled the first string:
http://yafgc.net/comic/0810-pre-inauguration-nightmare/
If she’s the baroness in her own right, by British rules her husbands would have no title (they would not be “barons”), but “baronet” is a totally separate title unrelated to barons. Barons are lords (as in Lord Grayfort), but baronets are styled “Sir” (as in Sir Garan, baronet). Or did she have her husband made baronets as a courtesy, like Queen Elizabeth did for the father of her son’s wife?
In Greyfort (and indeed throughout most of Elegrost) it’s considered good manners to give lesser titles to spouses of nobles. Unless of course they come into the marriage already sufficiently decorated.
Well, *they* lived long enough to see *their* children, which implies that she had at least two *pregnancies*, unless there’s a way for both men to be fathers of two twins in the same pregnancy.
Is that a loophole in the curse?
It is entirely possible to have twins in the same pregnancy by different fathers. It happens in the real world but it’s rare and often only spotted when the two fathers have different racial charateristics.
I’m curious if the curse functions based on how intelligent/clever the current victim is. I remember a short fantasy story where a thief looking to rob a wizard was caught and gaeased to serve him with his own cleverness and intelligence guiding the spell so he couldn’t pervert a command at one point because HE knew what the wizard actually meant so couldn’t use a ‘well sure he said get x so I’ll get X’ perversion of what was said since he knew the wizard meant eggs for breakfast and not the valuable Eggs the thief came to steal. He had to be the devil’s own rules lawyer to get out of it. The curse might work the same way, SHE thought she was being clever but because she knew what she was doing the curse wasn’t fooled by it either.
Just noticed the tears. Nice touch.